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Feb 11 2017

sergiogonzalez updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Feb 11 2017, 9:58 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
sergiogonzalez updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.
Feb 11 2017, 9:53 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Oct 9 2016

Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Sounds nice! Do you happen to have a FOSS/OH solution for PCI-E 3.0 and M.2?

Oct 9 2016, 2:41 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
KG12-12 added a comment to T652: micro SD-card raid.

I think we should remove the bottleneck from SATA III to SAS 12 Gb/s so we can get more speed. Because 4K 60fps RAW requires a lot of speed we would need more MicroSD Card for the ability of recording it. And it needs to support UHS-II in every slot. So we need a lot of resources. And MicroSD is more expensive than SATA SSDs actually. $42 for 128 GB MicroSD (Sandisk Ultra 128 GB), Buy 8 and you will have 960 GiB (1024 GB) for $320. It is more or less the same with worse performance (Top speed of the SSD is about 550 MB/s while MicroSDs are about 80 MB/s each with a constant write of about 18 MB/s per card, which in total gives you less than 200 MB/s with a slightly cheaper amount of cards.

Oct 9 2016, 10:20 AM · 4k Raw recorder
KG12-12 added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

I think we should use PCI Express 3.0 x4 with 4 M.2 cards in RAID-0 so we can get RAW Uncompressed in a very high framerate and resolution. Because if we go for SATA SSDs the SATA III would be a bottleneck. We should develop it with PCI Express so M.2 and XQD compatible. We can also add more memory modules for Cache.

Oct 9 2016, 10:13 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

May 13 2016

sebastian added a comment to T652: micro SD-card raid.

On the bright side I actually remember this particular idea being born because of discussion with specific groups at the booths at embedded world. Of course those were specialists in their field and we actively approach them and started the discussion but still :)

May 13 2016, 9:24 PM · 4k Raw recorder
Bertl added a comment to T652: micro SD-card raid.

Personally I have no problem with that.

May 13 2016, 9:06 PM · 4k Raw recorder

Apr 28 2016

Walter updated subscribers of T652: micro SD-card raid.

Funny thing is, that Bertl is working on a Beta Module like this.

Apr 28 2016, 10:28 AM · 4k Raw recorder

Apr 27 2016

chooksprod added a comment to T652: micro SD-card raid.

maybe it can be helpful ?

Apr 27 2016, 2:38 PM · 4k Raw recorder
daFred created T652: micro SD-card raid.
Apr 27 2016, 8:05 AM · 4k Raw recorder

Jan 12 2016

Walter added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

how would it be possible to connect the 2 6gbit connectors of the beta to a pci express 3.0 controller, which should be connected to a M.2 slot?

Jan 12 2016, 6:44 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jan 3 2016

Andrej added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

@Herbert as far as I recall we discussed the possibility of CF to SSD conversion which wasn't that simple because CF uses various modes, I think it was something like - transfer/memory/IO - and all three modes had to work. People have discussed it when trying to get a RAW Stream of Magic Lantern/Canon 5D3 onto an SSD instead of an expensice CF card.

Jan 3 2016, 11:21 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jun 8 2015

Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

As sebastian explained, UHS-II is electrically different from "normal" SD, so the only way to make this work is through special hardware.

Jun 8 2015, 3:56 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jun 7 2015

sebastian added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Hi db

Jun 7 2015, 7:30 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
db added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Hello all!

Jun 7 2015, 7:07 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Apr 26 2015

sebastian added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

@kimbray, definitely look like interesting options!

Apr 26 2015, 7:59 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
kimbray added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

What about something like this?
http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/samsung-begins-mass-production-of-industrys-first-m-2-nvme-pcie-ssd-for-pcs-and-workstations/
or
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-ssd-750-nvme-pcie-ssd-review_161829
Both address the write performance needed I believe and are getting cost effective. Wit the NVMe capabilities the latency and queues would be awesome.
Intel SSD750 about $1K for 1.2TB storage.
There are others entering the market too like...
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/fm-pcx8g2r4-960g

Apr 26 2015, 12:34 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Feb 25 2015

sebastian added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

@Laoena, what is your suggestion we do with that cable exactly?

Feb 25 2015, 1:32 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
Laoena added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Just saw this on Kickstarter: TOB Cable: One cable for everything

Feb 25 2015, 1:11 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Feb 5 2015

colinelves added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

The MOX is open source open format and I know Brendan Knows about the Axiom and I think Sebastian et al have been in contact with him about maybe using it. As I understand it, however, MOX is essentially a flexible wrapper - it could be used as a production format, you just need to include an (open source) compression codec in the wrapper.

Feb 5 2015, 9:13 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
adrianaragones updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Hello,
First let me apologize for joining this conversation this late. For starters, my opinion is that working with 3 HDMIs shouldn't be an option. Cables are not solid for long distances, connections even golden ones are not secure, and transferring that amount of data would be a real headache. I've worked as DATA manager and DIT in several production in Spain and Mexico, and SDI is the most reliable cable you can get at the moment. I know it requires implement soft and hard, but in my opinion, 3 HDMIs sounds scary.

Feb 5 2015, 12:33 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jan 27 2015

greensolid updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.
Jan 27 2015, 5:55 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jan 20 2015

surami added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

@allan
You have right, a Mini-ITX PC is very heavy and makes some noise, if it has fans.

Jan 20 2015, 2:20 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Jan 2 2015

sebastian added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

We are in touch with Christophe and just purchased this board from him.

Jan 2 2015, 11:16 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 31 2014

benoit.callebaut added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Answer from Christophe

Dec 31 2014, 2:09 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
benoit.callebaut added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

His name is Christophe Carpentier and he has one available for 200USD. Go on the page http://opencores.org/acc,view,chipmaker78. His email address is there.
I gave him the address of the apertus web site and I and investigating how get the board.

Dec 31 2014, 12:08 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 30 2014

Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Nice! Please investigate how we can get our hands on such a board for testing (in exchange for 200 USD of course).

Dec 30 2014, 8:24 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
benoit.callebaut updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

I found ton opencores.org a project of a PCIe board with Sata connector. (http://opencores.org/project,spartan6_pcie).
External interfaces are not the correct one but the developer seems open to discussion. Board cost 200USD (got feedback from developer)

Dec 30 2014, 7:52 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 28 2014

colinelves added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Obviously no compression is the easiest to manage in camera in terms of processing required (i.e. none) but further down the image pipeline no compression becomes a problem.

Dec 28 2014, 11:12 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 26 2014

allan updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

Staying within the realms that make for what the axiom beta is, i dont think the recorder solution should be too heavy or loud to handle along with it.

Dec 26 2014, 9:46 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 19 2014

PRN added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

And please someone care to explain what kind of benefits, "No compression image" gives compared to say, lossless compression to half the size.

Dec 19 2014, 3:53 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
PRN added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Yes the size and all the problems caused by the size. Transcoding times, the power of the machines for DI. Cost goes upwards.
I dint mean apertus should use RC ofcourse. Compatibility with the softwares will not be a problem in long run, everything eventually catches up.
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Dec 19 2014, 3:44 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
Fazek added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

What's the problem with the BM 4k camera format? The big size? Or not supported by the program? I think the implemented file format should be open, free, and widely supported, compressed or not. The Redcode format is not usable here, it's protected by patents etc. and if you implement an own format, it won't be compatible with the existing softwares...

Dec 19 2014, 1:53 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
PRN updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

The no compression solution breaks my heart as well. In a recent shoot, we had to shoot with a Black magic 4k camera (despite my initial choice being red scarlet/one-mx, producers went for BM 4k due to cheap rental prices) . BM 4k data is nightmare to manage, the post production costs multifolded. This made us take a decision to go with my initial choice, a Red scarlet after a schedule.

Dec 19 2014, 7:49 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 18 2014

Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Compression doesn't really help the lossless path, as you have to plan for the worst case, which is no compression at all.

Dec 18 2014, 8:31 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 17 2014

surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 17 2014, 12:28 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 16 2014

colinelves added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Fair enough. I was just raising the question as to whether or not own form of lossless compression could be implemented - even if it requires significant post processing to unpack the data afterwards.

Dec 16 2014, 10:55 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

@sebastian
Yes, it is also a possible solution. It is very similar to the idea of this HD-PLEX case with passive cooling, maybe he customized it.
For me the layout isn't good, it's too flat.

Dec 16 2014, 10:29 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

As usual, the question of using lossy or lossless compression will split the community into (at least) two groups :)

Dec 16 2014, 4:11 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
benoit.callebaut added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

I thought of 2 ways of doing things without reinventing the wheel:

Dec 16 2014, 3:33 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
elvis_preseli updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

My contribution and I hope I haven’t missed the point.

Dec 16 2014, 2:45 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
sebastian added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

I am not sure its possible to combine the two use cases:
-) recording footage
-) editing footage (workstation)
together without them contradicting themselves.

Dec 16 2014, 12:00 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
sebastian updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 16 2014, 11:55 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

Off-topic for Mini-ITX but...

Dec 16 2014, 12:14 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 15 2014

surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 15 2014, 10:53 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
philippej updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

And if at all possible, bypass the need for a "conventional" (x86) cpu and find a way to provide filesystem and sata protocol support from an fpga / arm system for lower power consumption. Pipe dream ?

Dec 15 2014, 9:56 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
benoit.callebaut added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

I will stay on topic.
But I think that if you compare it with the Odyssey and Atomos Shogun, your solution cannot be compared to those soltutions
Shogun :196mm x 110mm x 47mm and 645g 6.8W-11W
Odyssey : 200mmx155mmx25mm, 560g 8W

Dec 15 2014, 1:36 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 14 2014

surami added a comment to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

This was my topic starting post:
"I have an idea about to build a portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC, which could get the big amount of RAW data from the Beta, store it on HDD + maybe it could work as a system which could process/encode the files and as a workstation too.

Dec 14 2014, 10:54 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
benoit.callebaut updated subscribers of T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.

I like the idea but I have a lot of questions and remarks.

Dec 14 2014, 7:35 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 12 2014

colinelves added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Hi Surami,

Dec 12 2014, 12:15 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 11 2014

surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 5:16 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 5:13 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 3:39 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 3:39 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 3:38 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated the task description for T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC.
Dec 11 2014, 3:38 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami added a project to T217: Portable Mini-ITX multifunctional PC: 4k Raw recorder.
Dec 11 2014, 3:35 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
surami updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

RAW recording means RAW, so there isn't any compression, debayering, etc. just get directly the RAW data from the sensor and save it. It is very good from the point of dataamount, because there isn't any information about the color of the pixels. Let's count:

Dec 11 2014, 11:01 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Dec 10 2014

colinelves added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

From a practical sense it's rather irrelevant that the compression is lossy. Obviously the ideal would be lossless compression but what is needed is some for of compression that is achievable in real time (no mean feat when dealing with 4K footage, especially at rates above 30fps) and makes file sizes manageable. 4K Raw or Uncompressed (which is actually worse than Raw) is a horrendous amount of data to deal with.

Dec 10 2014, 4:49 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
Fazek added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

@colinelves: The wavelet compression is lossy and slow to decompress at the computer side. I think even Red using it as a compromise.

Dec 10 2014, 12:56 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
colinelves updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

My preference would definitely be for SDI - HDMI connectors are so unreliable and you need a solid connection if you're going to be dealing with that much data.

Dec 10 2014, 10:41 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Nov 20 2014

Bertl added a comment to T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

Potential cooperation with inviso who consider to open up their framegrabber design and create an AXIOM Beta SDI Shield.

Nov 20 2014, 6:27 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming

Nov 9 2014

sebastian updated subscribers of T136: 4K RAW PC recording.

We will develop a custom PCIe card and if that doesn't work a PCI card to take the input signals from the Beta. No details before we actually tested anything.

Nov 9 2014, 9:24 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
sebastian updated the task description for T136: 4K RAW PC recording.
Nov 9 2014, 4:53 PM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming
philippej added a project to T136: 4K RAW PC recording: 4k Raw recorder.
Nov 9 2014, 11:59 AM · 4k Raw recorder, Brainstorming